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Comment on pat roberston, please… by Phil

Phil — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:21:44 +0000

I take Carl’s perspective view seriously because whether we agree with what he thinks or says, he represents a slew of the population we don’t see on Sundays, and it seems like folks were quick to jump on his word choice. I think the words that come from anyone (President, Pastor, etc.) who has a lot of influence (a big media microphone as Ken says) should be extremely cautious on how they respond in word…especially in times of devastation.

James uses the phrase “world of evil” in stead of hatred…. Carl may not be that far off or possibly Carl is understating the severity of the words used by PR.

Read James: 3:1-12 (posted below is just part of it)
5Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

Comment on advice to young pastors: don’t fall for devil-pact boo-honkey by Germain

Germain — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:03:35 +0000

Thanks for the post, Ken. Please keep this up. My daughter is not a Christian, but she wants to be. The comments of people like PR drive her away. We need people like you to stand up and show her and those who want to be persuaded that following Jesus doesn’t have to look like that.

Comment on advice to young pastors: don’t fall for devil-pact boo-honkey by Phil

Phil — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:58:31 +0000

Jon M- I have cancer because I drank in college my freshman year. I just wanted to get that out there before I got called out at church.

On a more serious note, I appreciate everyone’s struggle to make sense of the statement made by PR. I like the tension. It looks like there is a lot of learning going on. Dialogue is key. Ken- thank for initiating it. Posters- thanks for posting.

Comment on advice to young pastors: don’t fall for devil-pact boo-honkey by Dan Diebel

Dan Diebel — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:54:28 +0000

Well put Ken. We live in a fallen world where tragic things happen. Rather than taking the lazy path of pointing fingers, fixing the blame and making excuses, we need to do the hard work of ministering and cooperating with God to use even the bad things to bring about good.

Comment on advice to young pastors: don’t fall for devil-pact boo-honkey by commonman

commonman — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:16:50 +0000

Joao, Here is one list I found on the top ten happiest countries. http://www.tripbase.com/blog/top-10-happiest-countries-in-the-world/.
It looks like most of these countries are nominally christian and socially progressive.

Comment on advice to young pastors: don’t fall for devil-pact boo-honkey by Jon Miller

Jon Miller — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:25:58 +0000

What if we start taking this approach of pointing out people’s past transgressions whenever new people visit our Churches? We could call them to the front of the congregation. For example, “Bob’s been going through a rough patch lately, he lost his job lately, his house is being foreclosed on and his wife is about to file for divorce. Now just so everyone is fully aware Bob has been known to verbally abused his wife and kids, cheat on his wife, and he is addicted to pain killers. He’s even dabbled in the occult recently looking for answers and there is some evidence for some generational sin involving incest in his bloodlines. Okay, now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, what can we do to help this mand and lead him to Christ.”

Do we really think Bob will ever step foot in a Church again after this, let alone repent and give his life over to Christ?

Comment on advice to young pastors: don’t fall for devil-pact boo-honkey by Sethu

Sethu — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:14:41 +0000

In a lot of the comments here, there seems to be an anxiety to defend somebody who routinely weighs in after disasters with a comment about God’s judgment. How is PR qualified to do that? How does the Bible lead PR or any of us to do that? Isn’t this out-of-bounds? Aren’t we led by Jesus in the Gospels away from this sort of thing? Why would any Christian want to go there? Isn’t this the opposite of what we are asked to do, and isn’t it against what we are asked to do? Or do I not understand correctly what Jesus asks us to do and tells us not to do?

Comment on advice to young pastors: don’t fall for devil-pact boo-honkey by Belfry

Belfry — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:08:07 +0000

Jon, yes! Exactly.

Comment on advice to young pastors: don’t fall for devil-pact boo-honkey by Jon Miller

Jon Miller — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:57:58 +0000

Okay fine. Haiti has a history godlessness, corruption, and vodoo.

What does this have to do with the fact that these people are desperately poor and they have just experienced a horrific tragedy? Why is so important that we make sure this history is duly noted and acknowleged by all before we give them the help that they need? And how does pointing all this out going to help to lead any of these people to Christ?

Comment on advice to young pastors: don’t fall for devil-pact boo-honkey by joao

joao — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:50:58 +0000

I would like to see these surveys because standard of living does not equate to joy in life.
Also as I understand it, the rate of alcoholism in Norway (been there) is extremely high, so high in fact that they have a huge tax on alcohol as a means to control it.. That to me would indicate depression and hopelessness, not joy.