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		<title>Comment on it&#8217;s the epistimology, stupid by ken</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 22:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, Yes critical realism fits the knowing of persons, doesn't it? Person, by definition are mysteries, and can't be "mastered."  So our knowing of them must be in part.  Nancy still surprises me after 38 years.  And I know I remain a mystery to her!  Praying for your missus and her adventure! ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, Yes critical realism fits the knowing of persons, doesn&#8217;t it? Person, by definition are mysteries, and can&#8217;t be &#8220;mastered.&#8221;  So our knowing of them must be in part.  Nancy still surprises me after 38 years.  And I know I remain a mystery to her!  Praying for your missus and her adventure! ken</p>
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		<title>Comment on it&#8217;s the epistimology, stupid by Bob Royce</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Royce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 20:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-209</guid>
		<description>This idea of relationship being at the heart of knowing Truth is really a key concept, I think. As you put it, "We know, but only to the extent we allow ourselves to be known." 

I can read all about someone, but unless I relate to them, I really don't know them. This is rather obvious when you think about it. But the next step that says I  don't know you unless you know me, is more subtle and yet quite profound when you think about. 

Keep going....please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This idea of relationship being at the heart of knowing Truth is really a key concept, I think. As you put it, &#8220;We know, but only to the extent we allow ourselves to be known.&#8221; </p>
<p>I can read all about someone, but unless I relate to them, I really don&#8217;t know them. This is rather obvious when you think about it. But the next step that says I  don&#8217;t know you unless you know me, is more subtle and yet quite profound when you think about. </p>
<p>Keep going&#8230;.please.</p>
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		<title>Comment on oops! a great article with a misquote by cassie</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/04/30/oops-a-great-article-with-a-misquote/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>cassie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/04/30/oops-a-great-article-with-a-misquote/#comment-208</guid>
		<description>socks with sandals?! heretic.

(loved the article, by the way. i barely noticed the misquote for all of the other lovely things that were said. i'm happy to be part of what god is growing here.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>socks with sandals?! heretic.</p>
<p>(loved the article, by the way. i barely noticed the misquote for all of the other lovely things that were said. i&#8217;m happy to be part of what god is growing here.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on it&#8217;s the epistimology, stupid by ken</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 16:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-207</guid>
		<description>jared,  I've got to get the Vanhoozer book, it's been recommended to me before. Just had a conversation in fact, with the staffer at Blue Ocean Institute, with whom we're partnering to do this "Friendship Collaborative" bringing secular environnmental scientists together with evangelical pastors who are operating in a climate of suspicion regarding environmental issues (especially climate change)to care for God's good creation. I was pointing out that most scientists share the same epistemology as many fundamentalists and evangelicals--naive realism. And that critical realism is the epistemological bridge between scientists and evangelicals; both need to cross it to work together.  I think.   ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jared,  I&#8217;ve got to get the Vanhoozer book, it&#8217;s been recommended to me before. Just had a conversation in fact, with the staffer at Blue Ocean Institute, with whom we&#8217;re partnering to do this &#8220;Friendship Collaborative&#8221; bringing secular environnmental scientists together with evangelical pastors who are operating in a climate of suspicion regarding environmental issues (especially climate change)to care for God&#8217;s good creation. I was pointing out that most scientists share the same epistemology as many fundamentalists and evangelicals&#8211;naive realism. And that critical realism is the epistemological bridge between scientists and evangelicals; both need to cross it to work together.  I think.   ken</p>
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		<title>Comment on it&#8217;s the epistimology, stupid by jared boyd</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>jared boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-206</guid>
		<description>Ken,

Great stuff. I think the "critical realism" that Wright talks about is the best explanation of the "muddled middle" out there. Its the "hopeful muddled middle" rather than the "defensive muddled middle" that cuts (for some) at some deep fear that if we lose the Enlightenment we'll no longer be in the light, so to speak.  Kevin Vanhoozer does well ("Is there meaning in this text") teasing this out a bit on a "textual" level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>Great stuff. I think the &#8220;critical realism&#8221; that Wright talks about is the best explanation of the &#8220;muddled middle&#8221; out there. Its the &#8220;hopeful muddled middle&#8221; rather than the &#8220;defensive muddled middle&#8221; that cuts (for some) at some deep fear that if we lose the Enlightenment we&#8217;ll no longer be in the light, so to speak.  Kevin Vanhoozer does well (&#8221;Is there meaning in this text&#8221;) teasing this out a bit on a &#8220;textual&#8221; level.</p>
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		<title>Comment on it&#8217;s the epistimology, stupid by steven hamilton</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>steven hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-205</guid>
		<description>"when the truth comes knocking"...sounds like a great sequel to Jesus brand Spirituality.

...truly, i believe humility to that way forward in the muddle...thanks for reminding us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;when the truth comes knocking&#8221;&#8230;sounds like a great sequel to Jesus brand Spirituality.</p>
<p>&#8230;truly, i believe humility to that way forward in the muddle&#8230;thanks for reminding us!</p>
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		<title>Comment on it&#8217;s the epistimology, stupid by Jesse Wilson</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-204</guid>
		<description>you know it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know it!</p>
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		<title>Comment on it&#8217;s the epistimology, stupid by David Crumm</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>David Crumm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/08/its-the-epistimology-stupid/#comment-203</guid>
		<description>Ken:

Once again, this reflection zeros in on the great challenge of our era -- clarity of vision. That's a theme I've written about over and over and over again.

Let's turn to the prophetic epistle of St. John, better known as "Nobody told Me." And, right in the middle of the song is this verse and chorus:

Everybody's runnin' and no one makes a move
Everyone's a winner and nothing left to lose
There's a little yellow idol to the north of Katmandu
Everybody's flying and no one leaves the ground
Everybody's crying and no one makes a sound
There's a place for us in the movies you just gotta lay around

Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Strange days indeed -- most peculiar, mama

No kidding.
That's the challenge in ministry today, right, Ken? You see it so clearly -- that the challenge is to see clearly.

Paul saw it. Sometimes it's tough to hear the electric wisdom in Paul -- sometimes it take a John Lennon to say it so it sticks.

Or a Ken Wilson to say it so it sticks.

Blessings on you Ken and your pilgrims on the journey! Your greatest strength as a community is moving past the "mean spirited" exterior to actually try looking compassionately into the faces of the people you meet.

Many thanks.
-- David Crumm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken:</p>
<p>Once again, this reflection zeros in on the great challenge of our era &#8212; clarity of vision. That&#8217;s a theme I&#8217;ve written about over and over and over again.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s turn to the prophetic epistle of St. John, better known as &#8220;Nobody told Me.&#8221; And, right in the middle of the song is this verse and chorus:</p>
<p>Everybody&#8217;s runnin&#8217; and no one makes a move<br />
Everyone&#8217;s a winner and nothing left to lose<br />
There&#8217;s a little yellow idol to the north of Katmandu<br />
Everybody&#8217;s flying and no one leaves the ground<br />
Everybody&#8217;s crying and no one makes a sound<br />
There&#8217;s a place for us in the movies you just gotta lay around</p>
<p>Nobody told me there&#8217;d be days like these<br />
Nobody told me there&#8217;d be days like these<br />
Nobody told me there&#8217;d be days like these<br />
Strange days indeed &#8212; most peculiar, mama</p>
<p>No kidding.<br />
That&#8217;s the challenge in ministry today, right, Ken? You see it so clearly &#8212; that the challenge is to see clearly.</p>
<p>Paul saw it. Sometimes it&#8217;s tough to hear the electric wisdom in Paul &#8212; sometimes it take a John Lennon to say it so it sticks.</p>
<p>Or a Ken Wilson to say it so it sticks.</p>
<p>Blessings on you Ken and your pilgrims on the journey! Your greatest strength as a community is moving past the &#8220;mean spirited&#8221; exterior to actually try looking compassionately into the faces of the people you meet.</p>
<p>Many thanks.<br />
&#8211; David Crumm</p>
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		<title>Comment on friendship collaborative by Howard Van Cleave</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/05/friendship-collaborative/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Van Cleave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/05/friendship-collaborative/#comment-202</guid>
		<description>I really like Wilfried's comment about the two kinds of 'climate change'. Having been a part of this days events and intimately involved with it from the planning which began here a few months ago, I can attest to the amazing event and those who participated.  Having seen it at UAkron in August I knew that something like this was needed here at OSU.  Because I believe that the Holy Spirit was indeed leading us we began to see a confluence of people and events come together that are not likely by human efforts alone.  Cal DeWitt being available was the first, Greg Hitzhusen getting involved out of the blue, faculty at OSU giving time and energy to recruit colleagues and Tyler Flynn being connected with so many pastors in central Ohio...Then there was The Veritas Forum who helped support the effort and local organizations and academic units willing to help sponsor this effort that all made for a successful gathering.  Now my colleague at Colorado University is talking to his scientist friends about hosting a Friendship Collaborative in the coming year.  Yes, Come Holy Spirit, lead us into Truth, convict of of sin, stimulate us to love and good deeds.  Pray for the follow-up as we will bring together those who participated on May 30 for a lunch and discussion at a scientists lab at OSU!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like Wilfried&#8217;s comment about the two kinds of &#8216;climate change&#8217;. Having been a part of this days events and intimately involved with it from the planning which began here a few months ago, I can attest to the amazing event and those who participated.  Having seen it at UAkron in August I knew that something like this was needed here at OSU.  Because I believe that the Holy Spirit was indeed leading us we began to see a confluence of people and events come together that are not likely by human efforts alone.  Cal DeWitt being available was the first, Greg Hitzhusen getting involved out of the blue, faculty at OSU giving time and energy to recruit colleagues and Tyler Flynn being connected with so many pastors in central Ohio&#8230;Then there was The Veritas Forum who helped support the effort and local organizations and academic units willing to help sponsor this effort that all made for a successful gathering.  Now my colleague at Colorado University is talking to his scientist friends about hosting a Friendship Collaborative in the coming year.  Yes, Come Holy Spirit, lead us into Truth, convict of of sin, stimulate us to love and good deeds.  Pray for the follow-up as we will bring together those who participated on May 30 for a lunch and discussion at a scientists lab at OSU!</p>
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		<title>Comment on friendship collaborative by Gary Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/05/05/friendship-collaborative/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, because I was taking Jim Hansen to the airport, I missed your presentation :-(

So I'm glad to read this report and pray that God will use last Friday's meeting to (per the comment above) bring about a divine climate change.

The three of us on IV staff (Howard, Bob, me) met today to debrief. We're hoping to convene folks who were at the meeting on May 30, possibly in one of the labs at OSU, to continue the dialogue.

Thanks for being a good model for us...

Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, because I was taking Jim Hansen to the airport, I missed your presentation <img src='http://kenwilsononline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m glad to read this report and pray that God will use last Friday&#8217;s meeting to (per the comment above) bring about a divine climate change.</p>
<p>The three of us on IV staff (Howard, Bob, me) met today to debrief. We&#8217;re hoping to convene folks who were at the meeting on May 30, possibly in one of the labs at OSU, to continue the dialogue.</p>
<p>Thanks for being a good model for us&#8230;</p>
<p>Gary</p>
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