Comments on: comin’ back home to who you are, evangelical? http://kenwilsononline.com/2009/01/05/whats-in-a-name-evangelical/ one step closer Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:41:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Archie http://kenwilsononline.com/2009/01/05/whats-in-a-name-evangelical/comment-page-1/#comment-1443 Archie Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:39:41 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=298#comment-1443 Ken, I'm guessing that you were at one time a loyal follower of some hall monitors and that you were for awhile at least a junior hall monitor yourself. I'm curious about the details. I've heard on the grapevine that in the old days you used to be somewhat authoritarian in your views about shepherding and discipleship in your local church community... Ken, I’m guessing that you were at one time a loyal follower of some hall monitors and that you were for awhile at least a junior hall monitor yourself. I’m curious about the details. I’ve heard on the grapevine that in the old days you used to be somewhat authoritarian in your views about shepherding and discipleship in your local church community…

]]> By: ken http://kenwilsononline.com/2009/01/05/whats-in-a-name-evangelical/comment-page-1/#comment-1442 ken Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:45:22 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=298#comment-1442 gem (and other commenters), I've wanted to respond to gem's post in particular, but think I'll make it a next post instead of a comment, drawing from other questions raised as well. Not sure how broad the interest is in this topic, but I'm interested and the questions and comments help. gem (and other commenters), I’ve wanted to respond to gem’s post in particular, but think I’ll make it a next post instead of a comment, drawing from other questions raised as well. Not sure how broad the interest is in this topic, but I’m interested and the questions and comments help.

]]> By: gem http://kenwilsononline.com/2009/01/05/whats-in-a-name-evangelical/comment-page-1/#comment-1441 gem Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:08:31 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=298#comment-1441 In the day when Ken first called himself a Jesus freak, when people asked him things like “You’re really into this Jesus thing aren’t you?”, I wonder what his cultural focus was? Ken, can you help? Did you campaign against the Vietnam War? Were you just tuning in to Jesus, and tuning everything else out? Did the Jesus freaks care about political/cultural issues, or was it just Jesus? What does a Jesus freak who is in the 18-24 age range look like and care about today? And if they exist, how do they compare with the Jesus freaks of the past? On the term evangelical, within my circles of influence this term doesn't mean much. People always want to know if you are one of those "bible reading/believing" Christians. And if you are, the eyes begin to roll and they automatically assume you are a right wing fanatic. When you do the "main and the plain" of following Christ, praying, reading scripture, obeying and doing what it says, our culture thinks you are wacked. In the day when Ken first called himself a Jesus freak, when people asked him things like “You’re really into this Jesus thing aren’t you?”, I wonder what his cultural focus was? Ken, can you help? Did you campaign against the Vietnam War? Were you just tuning in to Jesus, and tuning everything else out? Did the Jesus freaks care about political/cultural issues, or was it just Jesus? What does a Jesus freak who is in the 18-24 age range look like and care about today? And if they exist, how do they compare with the Jesus freaks of the past?

On the term evangelical, within my circles of influence this term doesn’t mean much. People always want to know if you are one of those “bible reading/believing” Christians. And if you are, the eyes begin to roll and they automatically assume you are a right wing fanatic. When you do the “main and the plain” of following Christ, praying, reading scripture, obeying and doing what it says, our culture thinks you are wacked.

]]> By: DD http://kenwilsononline.com/2009/01/05/whats-in-a-name-evangelical/comment-page-1/#comment-1440 DD Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:24:18 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=298#comment-1440 Ken, I'm with you, brother. I know that my redeemer liveth. I know that I know. Now I hear colleges students in our fellowship at the University of Illinois say they afraid of any titles ... Christian, evangelical, emergent, post-emergent, blah, blah, blah. "Just call me a follower of Jesus." Does that make them Christian? I certainly hope so. Are they evangelical? I think so. ... Old Jesus freaks like me (my 19-year-old says "Huh?") have to decrease while the 20-somethings increase. When I came to faith I somehow stumbled [God's grace, I'm sure] upon John Stott (nobody under 30, maybe even 40 has ever heard that name) and read almost every book he wrote. I read the "Cross of Christ" twice and thought, "Yea baby, that's what I am." ... To the 20-somethings I say, "Hang with Jesus. Read his words. Listen for his voice. Look for Jesus sightings. Say his name. Believe in him by faith. Say the Apostles' creed (I believe in Jesus Christ his only son our Lord ...who was conceived by the Holy Spirit)." You are our brothers and sisters. We need you ... Christians, evangelicals, Jesus followers, whatever ... we must stand together in the name of Jesus for the duration of the fight. DD Ken,

I’m with you, brother. I know that my redeemer liveth. I know that I know. Now I hear colleges students in our fellowship at the University of Illinois say they afraid of any titles … Christian, evangelical, emergent, post-emergent, blah, blah, blah. “Just call me a follower of Jesus.” Does that make them Christian? I certainly hope so. Are they evangelical? I think so. … Old Jesus freaks like me (my 19-year-old says “Huh?”) have to decrease while the 20-somethings increase. When I came to faith I somehow stumbled [God's grace, I'm sure] upon John Stott (nobody under 30, maybe even 40 has ever heard that name) and read almost every book he wrote. I read the “Cross of Christ” twice and thought, “Yea baby, that’s what I am.” …

To the 20-somethings I say, “Hang with Jesus. Read his words. Listen for his voice. Look for Jesus sightings. Say his name. Believe in him by faith. Say the Apostles’ creed (I believe in Jesus Christ his only son our Lord …who was conceived by the Holy Spirit).”

You are our brothers and sisters. We need you … Christians, evangelicals, Jesus followers, whatever … we must stand together in the name of Jesus for the duration of the fight. DD

]]> By: Eva http://kenwilsononline.com/2009/01/05/whats-in-a-name-evangelical/comment-page-1/#comment-1439 Eva Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:52:12 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=298#comment-1439 Hi Ken, I think you did a lovely job explaining it- especially the come back home to who you are part. Evangel- good news bearer. I like it- although it does feel like a lot of reponsibility (especially this morning). I admit since leaving the lutheran church for vineyard I've had a hard time explaining "what I am" because I really didn't like the term evangelical either. I have described myself as a Jesus freak and received that knowing nod of the head- it just didn't feel very complimentary. Lately I've not even been comfortable saying I'm a christian- there's a lot of junk associated with that too. The closest I've been able to come up with is follower of Jesus but that seems to lack something. Maybe I'll stick with Jesus freak and let them nod their heads. eva Hi Ken,
I think you did a lovely job explaining it- especially the come back home to who you are part. Evangel- good news bearer. I like it- although it does feel like a lot of reponsibility (especially this morning). I admit since leaving the lutheran church for vineyard I’ve had a hard time explaining “what I am” because I really didn’t like the term evangelical either. I have described myself as a Jesus freak and received that knowing nod of the head- it just didn’t feel very complimentary. Lately I’ve not even been comfortable saying I’m a christian- there’s a lot of junk associated with that too. The closest I’ve been able to come up with is follower of Jesus but that seems to lack something. Maybe I’ll stick with Jesus freak and let them nod their heads.
eva

]]> By: Archie http://kenwilsononline.com/2009/01/05/whats-in-a-name-evangelical/comment-page-1/#comment-1437 Archie Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:43:28 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=298#comment-1437 "It used to cow-tow me, this foreign thing that has weaseled it’s way into the American evangelical movement, where self appointed hall monitors check your orthodoxy like the Religious police checking for proper skirt length." Please explain. Do you mean that you used to submit to the authority of the self-appointed hall monitors? How? Did you ever succomb to the temptation to act like a self-appointed hall monitor yourself? Just wondering... “It used to cow-tow me, this foreign thing that has weaseled it’s way into the American evangelical movement, where self appointed hall monitors check your orthodoxy like the Religious police checking for proper skirt length.”

Please explain. Do you mean that you used to submit to the authority of the self-appointed hall monitors? How? Did you ever succomb to the temptation to act like a self-appointed hall monitor yourself? Just wondering…

]]> By: elizabeth http://kenwilsononline.com/2009/01/05/whats-in-a-name-evangelical/comment-page-1/#comment-1434 elizabeth Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:37:12 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=298#comment-1434 "i think its when a cow kinda kneels down..." close, but no cigar, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowtow Kowtow (traditional Chinese: Kau tàuh) is the act of deep respect shown by kneeling and bowing so low as to touch the head to the ground. An alternative Chinese term is ketou (Chinese: 磕頭; pinyin: Kētóu); however, the meaning is somewhat altered: kòu originally meant "knock with reverence",[citation needed] whereas kē has the general meaning of "touch upon (a surface)".[citation needed] In Han Chinese culture, the kowtow is the highest sign of reverence. It was formerly widely used to show reverence for one's elders, superiors, and especially the Emperor, as well as for religious and cultural objects of worship. In modern times, usage of the kowtow has become much reduced. “i think its when a cow kinda kneels down…”
close, but no cigar,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kowtow
Kowtow (traditional Chinese: Kau tàuh) is the act of deep respect shown by kneeling and bowing so low as to touch the head to the ground. An alternative Chinese term is ketou (Chinese: 磕頭; pinyin: Kētóu); however, the meaning is somewhat altered: kòu originally meant “knock with reverence”,[citation needed] whereas kē has the general meaning of “touch upon (a surface)”.[citation needed]

In Han Chinese culture, the kowtow is the highest sign of reverence. It was formerly widely used to show reverence for one’s elders, superiors, and especially the Emperor, as well as for religious and cultural objects of worship. In modern times, usage of the kowtow has become much reduced.

]]> By: Ryan http://kenwilsononline.com/2009/01/05/whats-in-a-name-evangelical/comment-page-1/#comment-1433 Ryan Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:45:38 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=298#comment-1433 Ken said:"I want everyone to believe in Jesus. That’s it. I really do. I feel as though he won’t disappoint anyone. Call me naive." Now that'll preach. Great words! Ken said:”I want everyone to believe in Jesus. That’s it. I really do. I feel as though he won’t disappoint anyone. Call me naive.”

Now that’ll preach. Great words!

]]> By: Bob http://kenwilsononline.com/2009/01/05/whats-in-a-name-evangelical/comment-page-1/#comment-1432 Bob Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:00:42 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=298#comment-1432 Kowtow is a Chinese word for showing deep respect by bowing down on your knees until your head touches the floor. (Or so says wikipedia). Kowtow is a Chinese word for showing deep respect by bowing down on your knees until your head touches the floor. (Or so says wikipedia).

]]> By: ken http://kenwilsononline.com/2009/01/05/whats-in-a-name-evangelical/comment-page-1/#comment-1430 ken Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:44:40 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=298#comment-1430 Phil, Cow tow (pronounced cow - tow as in "tow-el") I think it's when a cow kinda kneels down on one knee--obescance, kinda word, though that is misspelled. Video--that would take technology and looks, scary on both fronts.... Phil, Cow tow (pronounced cow – tow as in “tow-el”)
I think it’s when a cow kinda kneels down on one knee–obescance, kinda word, though that is misspelled. Video–that would take technology and looks, scary on both fronts….

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