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	<title>Comments on: wanna be a pastor? ready for the mud?</title>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/02/02/wanna-be-a-pastor-ready-for-the-mud/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve, oops! that's averse, not adverse, isn't it? See that's why you're a brave man--poets must spell properly and I can't. ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve, oops! that&#8217;s averse, not adverse, isn&#8217;t it? See that&#8217;s why you&#8217;re a brave man&#8211;poets must spell properly and I can&#8217;t. ken</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/02/02/wanna-be-a-pastor-ready-for-the-mud/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve,

you anticipated my next post in the "advice to young pastors" category....thanks for the verse--it's a brave man who ventures into verse these days: VENTURE ON!  (Just saw that your blog isn't verse adverse!) 
ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve,</p>
<p>you anticipated my next post in the &#8220;advice to young pastors&#8221; category&#8230;.thanks for the verse&#8211;it&#8217;s a brave man who ventures into verse these days: VENTURE ON!  (Just saw that your blog isn&#8217;t verse adverse!)<br />
ken</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/02/02/wanna-be-a-pastor-ready-for-the-mud/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>duke, I hadn't been thinking about the issue of accountability of pastors in the post you commented on--so the "much more" probably won't touch on that.  I do know someone who is blogging extensively on that topic, however! ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>duke, I hadn&#8217;t been thinking about the issue of accountability of pastors in the post you commented on&#8211;so the &#8220;much more&#8221; probably won&#8217;t touch on that.  I do know someone who is blogging extensively on that topic, however! ken</p>
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		<title>By: steven hamilton</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/02/02/wanna-be-a-pastor-ready-for-the-mud/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>steven hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crucial stuff!  its kind of like counting the cost...

i read margaret guenter's book 'holy listening' recently, and in one section she talks about the implications of any sort of gift of empathy in the spiritual director...which when we are compassionate and empathetic listeners walking as sacred companions with others in the mess of life, we cannot help but take others’ sins upon ourselves…to which she points to the practical issues in ‘burden bearing’.  it's worth the read...

this also sort of remind me of some wordcraft i wrote last year, the legends of lowtide:

there is a cloud of witnesses who intercede at low-tide
digging a way so that voyaging vessels do not collide

with dangers that waters in darkness can hide
that can gash the hull of a ship on its side

and cause it to sink in the oncoming tide
lost to the sea and there to abide

no, our heroes dig deeper for those who cannot cope
a profound trench that will become a pathway to hope

making a way to ease the burden a little faster
to come through at high tide meeting a generous harbour Master

tugging their way in deep draft carrying burdens of oppression
yet a way has been made through with this messy intercession

yes, the wandering ships loaded down for journey
on a passage to safe harbour amidst a storm-tossed sea

our heroes wear waders to protect as they trudge
through the muck and the mire clearing the sludge

yet the grime it seeps off them as they clear the way
devoted to their work so that none go astray

now they follow the channel dredged by legends unseen
to unload their burdens and new grace to glean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crucial stuff!  its kind of like counting the cost&#8230;</p>
<p>i read margaret guenter&#8217;s book &#8216;holy listening&#8217; recently, and in one section she talks about the implications of any sort of gift of empathy in the spiritual director&#8230;which when we are compassionate and empathetic listeners walking as sacred companions with others in the mess of life, we cannot help but take others’ sins upon ourselves…to which she points to the practical issues in ‘burden bearing’.  it&#8217;s worth the read&#8230;</p>
<p>this also sort of remind me of some wordcraft i wrote last year, the legends of lowtide:</p>
<p>there is a cloud of witnesses who intercede at low-tide<br />
digging a way so that voyaging vessels do not collide</p>
<p>with dangers that waters in darkness can hide<br />
that can gash the hull of a ship on its side</p>
<p>and cause it to sink in the oncoming tide<br />
lost to the sea and there to abide</p>
<p>no, our heroes dig deeper for those who cannot cope<br />
a profound trench that will become a pathway to hope</p>
<p>making a way to ease the burden a little faster<br />
to come through at high tide meeting a generous harbour Master</p>
<p>tugging their way in deep draft carrying burdens of oppression<br />
yet a way has been made through with this messy intercession</p>
<p>yes, the wandering ships loaded down for journey<br />
on a passage to safe harbour amidst a storm-tossed sea</p>
<p>our heroes wear waders to protect as they trudge<br />
through the muck and the mire clearing the sludge</p>
<p>yet the grime it seeps off them as they clear the way<br />
devoted to their work so that none go astray</p>
<p>now they follow the channel dredged by legends unseen<br />
to unload their burdens and new grace to glean</p>
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		<title>By: Duke</title>
		<link>http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/02/02/wanna-be-a-pastor-ready-for-the-mud/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, I'm greatly looking forward to the much more.  Something is wrong between pastors and their flocks, and no one seems to be talking about it.  No one likes holding pastors accountable.  It's a taboo subject.  Like pedophilia.  And incest.  One doesn't speak about such things because it's impolite, and one might be shot as the messenger of bad news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, I&#8217;m greatly looking forward to the much more.  Something is wrong between pastors and their flocks, and no one seems to be talking about it.  No one likes holding pastors accountable.  It&#8217;s a taboo subject.  Like pedophilia.  And incest.  One doesn&#8217;t speak about such things because it&#8217;s impolite, and one might be shot as the messenger of bad news.</p>
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