Comments on: faith/climate change/Y2K http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/01/31/faith-and-climate-change/ one step closer Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:43:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: LittleMissKnowitAll http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/01/31/faith-and-climate-change/#comment-80 LittleMissKnowitAll Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:53:41 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=59#comment-80 Facts are facts, but truth is subjective, depending on who you are and how many times you've heard it. Or at least that's what we're taught in the political PR game. Tell them a lie 9 times in a row and they will believe it, even if they know the facts show it to be false. And we see evidence of that everyday--especially when it comes to Climate Change. I agree with Ed--the real problem is that this requires I do something, that I make a personal change. And we all love answers where other people make the difficult changes and I stay on my comfortable high horse. Facts are facts, but truth is subjective, depending on who you are and how many times you’ve heard it. Or at least that’s what we’re taught in the political PR game. Tell them a lie 9 times in a row and they will believe it, even if they know the facts show it to be false. And we see evidence of that everyday–especially when it comes to Climate Change.

I agree with Ed–the real problem is that this requires I do something, that I make a personal change. And we all love answers where other people make the difficult changes and I stay on my comfortable high horse.

]]> By: ken http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/01/31/faith-and-climate-change/#comment-76 ken Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:50:18 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=59#comment-76 Don't believe it, So who are the powers that be who are keeping the myth (of climate change?) alive? Scientists? The environmental lobby? How does their power compare, for example, with the power of the oil industry which spent multi millions of dollars to sow mistrust of the scientific consensus? Check out some of the primary political figures who have agreed with you that climate change is a fraud and see where their campaign funds have come from. How powerful do you think the lobby groups are that represent the power plants, compared to say, the Sierra Club. Follow the power and you'll have a sense of where the "powers that be" are exercising their influence. ken Don’t believe it,

So who are the powers that be who are keeping the myth (of climate change?) alive? Scientists? The environmental lobby? How does their power compare, for example, with the power of the oil industry which spent multi millions of dollars to sow mistrust of the scientific consensus? Check out some of the primary political figures who have agreed with you that climate change is a fraud and see where their campaign funds have come from. How powerful do you think the lobby groups are that represent the power plants, compared to say, the Sierra Club. Follow the power and you’ll have a sense of where the “powers that be” are exercising their influence.

ken

]]> By: DontBelieve It http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/01/31/faith-and-climate-change/#comment-73 DontBelieve It Tue, 12 Feb 2008 01:51:41 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=59#comment-73 This global warming stuff is a political ploy, and you are useful idiots being used by the powers that be to keep the myth alive. This global warming stuff is a political ploy, and you are useful idiots being used by the powers that be to keep the myth alive.

]]> By: ken http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/01/31/faith-and-climate-change/#comment-57 ken Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:21:51 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=59#comment-57 Don, "A lie travels half way round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes"--no one can charge our faith tribe (myself included) from jumping on any bandwagons early! ken Don, “A lie travels half way round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes”–no one can charge our faith tribe (myself included) from jumping on any bandwagons early! ken

]]> By: ken http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/01/31/faith-and-climate-change/#comment-56 ken Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:20:11 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=59#comment-56 Ed, Hadn't thought of that, but yes of course--always easier to acknowledge a problem not of our own making. Plus which the "Y2K" threat would have upset our economy--nothing rallies us like a threat to our sacred cow. Just stupyfiying to remember how the Y2K thing took on such apocalyptic proportions. I remember being heavily lobbied by people in the church to mobilize the church to prepare for Y2K by long-time believers in the church, but rarely lobbied to do the same for the more demonstrable environmental threats by the same faith veterans. Ed, Hadn’t thought of that, but yes of course–always easier to acknowledge a problem not of our own making. Plus which the “Y2K” threat would have upset our economy–nothing rallies us like a threat to our sacred cow. Just stupyfiying to remember how the Y2K thing took on such apocalyptic proportions. I remember being heavily lobbied by people in the church to mobilize the church to prepare for Y2K by long-time believers in the church, but rarely lobbied to do the same for the more demonstrable environmental threats by the same faith veterans.

]]> By: Ed Brown http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/01/31/faith-and-climate-change/#comment-55 Ed Brown Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:14:47 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=59#comment-55 Ken - congratulations on getting the booklet distributed. You draw an interesting parallel between Climate Change and Y2K. One would think that people who believe the pages of Revelation would be jumping all over this one, wouldn't you? I suspect the difference is this: Y2K and other gloom & doom scenarios all can be blamed on someone else. Climate Change lands in our own laps, and we don't like that so much... Ken - congratulations on getting the booklet distributed.

You draw an interesting parallel between Climate Change and Y2K. One would think that people who believe the pages of Revelation would be jumping all over this one, wouldn’t you? I suspect the difference is this: Y2K and other gloom & doom scenarios all can be blamed on someone else. Climate Change lands in our own laps, and we don’t like that so much…

]]> By: Don Bromley http://kenwilsononline.com/2008/01/31/faith-and-climate-change/#comment-54 Don Bromley Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:32:37 +0000 http://kenwilsononline.com/?p=59#comment-54 Bill Hybels preached "Can Our Planet Survive?" last weekend at Willow Creek Church (one of the largest churches in the nation, if you haven't heard of it). He said it was the first time in 35 years he's preached on creation care! Better late than never. http://media.libsyn.com/media/vineyardvideo/m080127bigquestionspt2.mp3 Bill Hybels preached “Can Our Planet Survive?” last weekend at Willow Creek Church (one of the largest churches in the nation, if you haven’t heard of it). He said it was the first time in 35 years he’s preached on creation care! Better late than never.

http://media.libsyn.com/media/vineyardvideo/m080127bigquestionspt2.mp3

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